Do they have human cadaver dissection? These are forced attritions, and these Schools must not be allowed to over-induct more than their capacity. The competitiveness to get into a US school is unbelievable. Saba has had a reputation for being a top four school, but you will not know who your professors are a months from now, you will not know what the curriculum will be a months from now, you will not know what you will need to pay in rent a month from now, even if you have already signed a lease, and you will not know what food will be in the stores a month from now. I would just like point out that in order for a Caribbean-based student to become licensed as an MD, he/she has to pass the same exams and survive clinicals the same way U.S. based students have to. Fewer students from Caribbean med schools go on to the more competitive residencies, Saba included. VIDEO FROM THE NEW YORKER What I am trying to get across is that yes caribbean medical schools are tough. (Major Pros & Cons), s AUC A Good Medical School? Saba medical school does have the disadvantage of not being able to qualify for US Federal financial aid, which may result in your paying a lot more in interest. Let me give you a brief history about myself. Np programs have their own issues. The tuition is less than some of the other Caribbean schools and there is a possibility that you can become a doctor by attending this school. Yes, it was hard to adjust to island life (especially the hurricanes!) What does it mean for you to be a doctor and how far are you willing to travel to get there, and will you ever give up? I am still wavering on whether returning to school, leaving clinical practice, and incurring another mortgage sized student loan is the best decision. But, an MD without USMLE Part II can still get hired as a professor or other biomedical researcher, participate in planning and running clinical trials, and get priority for grants with new terminal degree from the National Institutes of Health and the NIH myriad subsidiary institutes. The follow-up, some 20 years later, is that the majority of them are frustrated, burned-out and wondering what they have done to themselves. We have a great psych department for those who suffer of anxiety, depression or are facing a difficult time. What productive or uplifting purpose does it serve? Ive read and heard that due to covid they were considering applications without the MCAT. Please PLEASE do not come to AUA. I dealt with one earnest bonehead today from AMA and I got so impatient with him wasting my time. I knew it would be impossible to afford a US medical school so I opted for the cheaper Caribbean medical schools. If you want a warm and fuzzy feeling and are not used to fighting for what you want, instead of waiting for it, then medical school is not for you 3. Saba Medical School is another of your options when you are considering Caribbean medical schools. An excellent article by Dr. David, well written! These are the students that complain and say our school did nothing for them. After the island phase, a lot of people take the Kaplan review course and someone told me they learned more in 7weeks of Kaplan than they did in school. I was impressed when I saw their loan facilities because Im a graduate of pharmacology in Nigeria and I have been considering studying medicine abroad. Is Saba a good med school? I think you are looking for the pros and cons of studying at all saints St. Vincent. If they can make it, then they can try their hand at a real semester. Saba University was the only medical school in the Netherlands Antilles that earned accreditation, and thus was the only medical school to be allowed to stay in those islands. please have mercy upon future patients and dont even think of practicing a quack medicine. Attrition rate ~ 86% Everything has a risk, even getting accepted in the US has a risk. I love my school and I am very grateful for this opportunity. The avg. If things dont turn out the way you desired, life is full of opportunities, and the world is large, find your way again and if it makes you feel better, the whole journey you been going on it part of your destiny. I told them I never got federal loans. So please, educate yourself on the roles of advanced practice providers and I genuinely hope you change your attitude so you can learn to respect those who didnt attend medical school as just as vital member of the healthcare team. This is excellent advice. My name is saron and Im a dreamer who would like to be a great physician and I was wondering if any one would like to help me about the reall truth in caribbean MS because Im really thinking enrolling in it. I cant vouch for the others. Its all about motivation and not falling in with the students who dont take it seriously or who dont put in enough time. Is that true? Plus, I am doing online elective for about 30 weeks with paying $30,000 /22 weeks. So lot is wrong going on . (5) Students who cannot self study will fail? were a Girl, and serviced the Dean, you had it MADE. The point of this one example is that the school is run by advantage takers. Start your journey towards becoming an MD. If you dont give them a reason to, then you have a legitimate opportunity to become a practicing physician. I am sorry that you had such a horrible experience. The staff is disconnected and said either repeat the term after you seek medical attention or just quit. Compared to most U.S. medical schools, Sabas requirements arent as difficult to match. How much do Caribbean medical schools cost? Its just not US, and not all students are going to make it. In the case of Mexico, the Government officials are a bunch of Nat- You dont need to be a genius to be a doctor. Anyhow, I didnt mean for this to be long. Most have matched into residency and are staff now. Odds are about even with the Florida lottery. It highlights the mind boggling amount of cash that is flowing in this industry. Plus, its an unpleasant place with mosquitoes, waterbugs, pollution from the refineries, undrinkable water and an oppressive hot, humid climate. couldnt take the Primero anyhow. Dr. Stewart hi. This is for money and I dont believe it is good for humans to go through this type of abuse while in training to help others. It isnt nearly so doom and gloom. I wont argue that a lot of students drop out. What kind of challenges do you want to put up with when a pre-med, when a medical student and do you really want to do the residency and be a doctor? Hey, Lee To finalize my comment, no, it is not the end of the world to attend a Caribbean school and I dont believe its fair to stereotype Caribbean schools. Do you know what you are facing? The tuition is high, before you go in, decide to give your all, but if you dont make it you have already calculated and thought about what you could do to help yourself. From adequate student support systems, to ombudsmans to hear student pleas or act as support and defenders in events like the ones i dealt with. Saba Medical School (Saba University School of Medicine) is located in The Bottom, Saba, in the Caribbean.This Caribbean medical school was founded in 1993 and has enrolled about 1500 MD students since that time. However, never did get my license because I was unable to sit Part II of the USMLE before I graduated, because I lacked one more core. "Keep up the good work" . I cherish that lesson learned and hold it near and dear to my heart. Your response means a lot. Which is disappointing to hear. I attended All Saints University of Medicine, St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Everyone will have a different experience and deal with it differently. How is that university can you please let me know? The states, however, have allowed themselves to be cowed into ignoring the issue. A new curriculum came into play for the semester 1 students this semester. Now go and become a Doctor !!!!! I found out making excuses whether valid or not just doesnt flow on the islands; it is just a recipe for failure. us a SUPER-hard time with our student visas. Im jealous. Chukwumah I will like to get in touch with you. We also have visiting professors from the US medical schools that teach a good portion of our classes here, so most of the professors have not been all that bad. In short, study hard, dont be awkward, and suck it up on the island. Saba University School of Medicine has rolling admissions. My honest advice having having some experience with that route is to not do it because the outcomes are very unpredictable. I havent heard anything about SJSM closing. We also have a health clinic on campus that also takes emergencies 24/7. Ohio used to, but theyve just ended the program. These schools are not for you. None of those schools have an attrition rate higher than 14%. Its one thing to recruit people that have high skills, Bryan Hodge, the director of the Hendersonville program, told me. Do this and youll become a doctor. Residency, University of Washington, 2014 Graduate. Anonymous while i sympathtise with this persons experience, his experience is not mine or that of many other colleagues of mine that went to Caribbean medical schools. Not that Id want to do it again but if I did Id look into schools in South America that have reasonable tuition even though they dont cater to foreign students. 3. What medical school did you apply for ? Cons of the school: I am confused which one I should choose. Still not as outrageous as what you paid. They appeal one student but not the other. Thats why I was like, comparing doesnt help. This is actually beneficial for those living off campus. Why does your comment about minorities seem like they just give any minority a seat at Med School dont they also have the requisite grades? Hello, please does any know about SABA university and if it is a good school because am thinking of applying there. I encourage you not to give up on your dreams but realize medical school is not your only option. Many classes end up with less than 10 students by the end of basic sciences. They will never be the US. Ive personally never experienced having a lack of space in the lecture hall but I am a part of the significantly smaller January class (in fact, the row in my section of the lecture hall is entirely empty except 1 other person.) i just want to go to a school in which most if not all the faculty kind of care about the students success and teach well. I then went through some rough personal issues with my family and personal issues due to stress. The fact that you cant complain or ask for change because no one is listening and going to change things might be the worst thing for you, but some people might just not let that affect them. It is a very rough school, with a terrible attrition rate. However, becoming a physician is serious and the path to becoming a physician isnt easy. When I tried to comeback I was forced to do a re-admission process and was denied re-entry, I was told by one of the members of the admission committee (who was a dear professor) that the dean stepped in personally to block my re-entry. you can ride a jet ski (can anyone frown on a jet ski?!) In my mind, Saba medical school has similar pros and cons to any Caribbean medical school, which you can view. This Caribbean medical school has provided my son both the hope and the knowledge to succeed. Same concepts, but emphasis on certain topics differ, which can change test scores. However, I want to post this for the open minded: Students at Saba University are required to carry health insurance coverage for the duration of their medical school program. Thank you. Saba, like all Caribbean med schools, probably wont make you as competitive as a student who graduates from U.S. or Canadian medical schools. So. RSVP Now. i am not too sure how much truth this holds. If you decided to come on a forum and reply to someones experience only to dog on them over the length and paragraph structure of the same, do yourself a favor and kindly walk out the door. I compared our academic schedule to too schools in California, and we have an average if 3 to 4 weeks less time to study, and our modules are way shorter than US schools. That way you could at least make an informed decision. You must work for the school. That core was my last rotation and I graduated. On top of that, there are not enough residency slots in almost every medical specialty and that is not presently being adequately addressed. I have been a licensed practicing physician for almost 20 years and I have no regrets!! I dont mean every student. Hello, Im nigerian as well. I, unlike some of you on here, dont have to attend an international medical school. The program that I have a Masters in, is similar to your basic sciences. Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the U.S. and Canada. Info came directly from admissions committee. Gain work experience, shadow, volunteer, and do a masters first to help strengthen your application. 75% of Sabas students go on to graduate, attain a medical degree and then find residency (usually in internal or family medicine). This added with the intense work load and adaptation into the pace of medical school is the third round of students to drop out. The Caribbean is more like playing the lottery. And kudos to all the hard work you have put Into your medical studies and I wish to congratulate and wish you the best . I remember an attending once told me that he preferred Caribbean students because he knows how hard we had to work to get to where we are now so that was nice to hear! Since the area of research has increasing become narrower and narrower, and the focus has become primarily molecular, the benefit of having research based experts is increasingly questionable. Dont kill someone elses dream because you cant reach your own. The medical schools in the US did not want you, be thankful that you got a chance, but you found out that it was not for you. Perhaps US Department of Education should start and investigation. I dont know the current overall attrition rate at Saba because it varies a lot per semester and it is getting progressively worse in recent years due to changes in management and administration. Saba University makes it possible for students to earn their degree in under 4 years, spending 20 months studying Basic Sciences on the campus in Saba, completing an 8-week research module and returning to the U.S. or Canada for 72 weeks of clinical rotations. As for the educational component of the school, the quality of education is variable. I scratch my head like I know medicine has advanced since 2005 so I end up sending them my Caribbean notes/study materialsbut I dont want to make this post about Nigerian medical schools. Are current students honest with them during the interview process? Dont be afraid to cold call and explain your interests. We were used as But rest assured that they had been red flagged by the U.S department of education. I will have to look into this before I make my final decision. Given im a first generation college student in my family, noone has good credit in my family, I have been unable to even transfer out to any other caribbean school because of an inability to finance my education. This is a business to them so they highlight only the good to lure you in. But, if you really want to become a physician, you have to think about your priorities in life and decide if you want to spend another year trying to get accepted in the US or rather start sooner than later in a Caribbean school. Regarding emotional distress, as any medical school, anxiety and depression are the major problems but the suicidal rate is extremely low in this school. I think what is missing is the transparency on the part of the schools. Thank you. In all honesty, AUA is all about the money. How would I get my transcripts? I am currently facing financial hardship and wondering if there are any scholarships for students attending Caribbean medical schools? Its using patient money for research and education without the consent of the consumer. Hi Dr. Wible. Everybody gets accepted fuck you are paying in dollars in a third world country but when you finnish you will be unable to find an i ternship aka residency, in the usa and not alot of doors are opened for unliscensed professional in the healthcare field. Sounds like you went to a school similar Avalon University School of Medicine in Curaao. Pray for good health and take a leave if you get sick and if possible. How much do Caribbean medical schools cost? They will ALL tell you it was HELL. Since you wrote this go after them legally and fix the system. There are lots of lawyer at USA for wrong thing so why there no lawyer for any kids and fix the system? It is kind of a vicious circle. So long as profit is the main motive, it really doesnt matter where the medical school is located. Its true. This was quite an interesting read. But you have an edge if you spoke the language because they articulate and use anecdotes that is applicable to the most people. Saba is also one of the most estabilished and long running schools in the Caribbean, founded in 1993. SJSM is way cheaper than Ross, but Ross is amongst the top Carribean Med Schools. SGU is a second-chance medical school and you have to understand that in the most literal sense. The best schools in the Caribbean are: SABA, ST George, MUA, AUA, and Ross St. Matthews is okay, but they did not get approved in California and this concerns me. From the School. With that being said, you need to consider that both good and bad students will get in easily, hence why the passing rate are low. The school backed down and reinstated the old grading scheme for the classes. In essence, the class is composed of repeaters and non repeaters. Preying on idealistic humanitarians is a sick business model. My friend and I both got 73% on our exams, they let her take Ck and didnt let me. I enrolled in 2 semesters of physics and passed with an A and a B+. Can anyone give me their experience at AUIS medical school. What about all the heartaches that they cause every year to thousands of applicants. We all know how important that test is, it pretty much defines what career specialty you will be able to get into. If you worked hard and honestly you got through fine. Certainly not worth getting into a quarter million in debt that will take for ever to pay back. I did get the M.D. After practicing law for 20 years, with every single day being a fight, and quite frankly rarely seeing any justice, I have found myself really missing the collaboration of medicine. It makes more sense to go to PA school if you can even get in. With help from family, friends, and an organization called Medical Education Cooperation with Cubawhich helps American students in Cuba prepare for their homecoming with scholarships, tutoring for U.S. exams, and connections to American medical networksshe returned home each summer, gaining experience at hospitals in Minneapolis, Oakland, and Washington, D.C. The physicians that make it through the system are excellent and have been through more abuse than US physicians but unfortunately, many of the ones who are roadblocked are also strong in their skills and knowledge base. also, as long as they keep admitting the student with the 1.9gpa and no mcat to compete with the perfect gpa student with multiple research publications, etc to be in the same class, then the attrition rate will stay high. The cheating has gone through the roof and theyve taken the curve away. i am also thinking of Ross, SABA or AUC. 100%USMLE Step 1 Exam first-time pass rate (2021)- a consistently strong performance. You will always be surrounded by many students who arent 100% dedicated and you just need to make sure you separate yourself and focus on studying as much as you can, even if all your friends are all hanging out together. Dont beat yourself up like I did. There are double standards in the way you will be treated in residency. The first two years of medical is about preparing you to pass Step 1. I mentor medical students and have taught several from abroad. Maarten, the island nation of Saba is small, quiet and extremely safe with something for everyone to enjoy: from quaint villages and mountain hiking trails to pristine scuba diving and well-regarded inns and restaurants.. How long is Saba med school? I totally agree with everything youve stated and Im glad I withdrew when I did because that one semester cost me $30,000. Etc. But, if you really want to become a physician, you have to think about your priorities in life and decide if you want to spend another year trying to get accepted in the US or rather start sooner than later in a Caribbean school. I am an independent higher education analyst and would like to know more about US-owned Caribbean medical schools. Oh yeah, it is dirt cheap in Nigeria and when you convert it to dollars its not up to $1,000/semester. You will make a good healer at whatever level you practice healthcare. As long as you keep your head in the game and ignore all the distractions (which is hard of course) you will make it. Be blessed. I met with the owner and the dean of the school in Manhattan asking why, I had a 3.5 GPA BY THEIR OWN STANDARDS and they would not let me sit for the exam. Get out while you still can. SJSM entices financially vulnerable students with financing that hinges on students enrolling in online masters programs through schools like Walden University. It does help to learn from other people, but dont use that as an opportunity to beat yourself up or beat other people down. The stress of studying away from home might be unfair if you compare to other schools; but it depends how you compare or should you even be comparing. Unfortunately, the truth is denied to you. Stop going to Bananas to party. You can not be a nurse either bc they are highly smart persons which obviously you are not. 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